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Continuing from the above post...
One question that pops into my mind is, why did Oregon CBD launch their "sour strains" in 2020, specifically for high-terpinolene content, when they already had the Lifter strain with terpinolene as one of the top 3 terpenes? And then it seems they renamed it Sour Lifter in the 2022/2023 releases. But what actually happened is that Sour Lifter was created by breeding Lifter with an in-house created "terpinolene dominant CBD variety", in 2021—what they call their "GG#4 conversion". From the terpene profiles I've seen, it appears Sour Lifter actually has less terpinolene than Lifter, but I'm sure there is phenotypic variation for both.
So, why the "sour strains," and why the emphasis on terpinolene? Oregon CBD launched these "sour" strains in 2020/2021: Sour Elektra, Sour Hawaiian Haze, Sour Special Sauce, and Super Sour Space Candy. In their online catalog they say about the Sour CBDs—"Improved for 2021, these varieties feature a newly selected, terpinolene dominant [Gorilla Glue #4] conversion parent that helps them put on the weight and finish fast!". It's looks like they were also going for high resin production, coupled with citrus, berry, and tropical aromas and flavors. From my research, strains high in terpinolene are known for citrus, berry, and tropical aromas.
Curious thing, though, I don't see any mention of mold/fungus resistance associated with Oregon CBD's "sour strains", which would be my primary reason for trying out high-terpinolene CBD strains. They remark about their classic strain, Special Sauce, "Ideal for humid climates with strong mold resistance." Yet I don't see any significant terpinolene in the one terpene profile I found for Special Sauce, and another website mentions that terpinolene is not in the top 3 terpenes for Special Sauce. Even more curious is that Oregon CBD has bred "seedless" triploid genetics that they claim have high fungus/mold resistance, including: triploid versions of Suver Haze, Sour Suver Haze, and Lifter. About the triploid Suver Haze they say, "Excels in moist climates and exhibits strong resistance to botrytis". (That's the only mention of botrytis resistance I can find on Oregon CBD's website.) But this is very interesting, because triploids are typically larger plants with more resin production, and the non-triploid Suver Haze (from what I can tell) doesn't contain significant amounts of terpinolene—therefore, the strong resistance to botrytis, I'm guessing, is coming from the increased resin production. That's my guess. So, it could be that big plants with high resin production bring out the inherent fungus/mold resistance. I just experienced this with the recent harvest of my #9 pheno of Cherry Blossom. But the way I accomplished that was to increase pot size!
But that's not the Cherry Blossom CBD that I'm growing. I'm fairly certain the Cherry Blossom that I'm growing is Cherry Wine x Berry Blossom. Looking a bit deeper: Cherry Wine is Charlotte's Cherries x The Wife; Berry Blossom is Cherry Kandahar S1 and Chardonnay. Looking even deeper: Charlotte's Cherries is Charlotte's Web x Colorado Cherry. (As far as I can tell, Colorado Cherry is a THC strain from Cherry Pie x Tree of Life.) Regarding Cherry Kandahar, that's close to a landrace Afghani indica (THC). Chardonnay is Black Rose and Cherry Wine (there's that Cherry Wine again). I'm not sure which "Black Rose" they mean there, but it's a THC strain. (purple = high CBD)
So, the high-CBD genetics in the Cherry Blossom CBD that I'm growing is from Charlotte's Web and The Wife. While Charlotte's Web has Lawrence Ringo's Harle-Tsu prominent in its lineage, The Wife is a bit of a mystery, traced to High Grade Hemp Seeds in Colorado. They were not the creators, however. Credit for that goes to Foundation Seeds, another hemp breeder in Colorado, who created it from Spectrum x Wife. Both Spectrum and Wife were phenotypes of Heartwood IBL, which was derived from genetics received from Spain in 2011 [ source ]. (There's that timeframe again, 2010/2011—The dawn of CBD strains.)
That mystery high-CBD Spanish germplasm used to create The Wife may have been Juanita la Lagrimosa, Cannatonic, or Dancehall.
Now back to the amazing strains of Oregon CBD. What well-known eary CBD genetics are they based on, or do they incorporate? The mystery gets thick now. Oregon CBD did its own foundational in-house breeding. To create Lifter, they crossed their own Suver Haze with the high-CBD strain, Early Resin Berry (ERB). I can't find anything on Early Resin Berry, but I'm guessing they acquired a clone or clones of it from somewhere. It seems at first ERB was a 1:1 strain, and then perhaps Oregon CBD morphed it into a type 3 strain, but that's a total guess. Or maybe they developed ERB from some other genetics. As for Suver Haze, they crossed Suver #8 with ERB, and Suver is a strain they developed on Suver Road, north of Corvallis, Oregon...
"After crossing our “Special Sauce” mom with our select (THC) Neville’s Haze male in 2015, an open pollination was conducted with 40 F1 siblings. When the resulting F2 seeds were grown out and chemotyped, only 1 plant out of 72 females in the test grow was a type III hemp plant..."
Special Sauce and ERB are the two secret ingredients in Suver, Suver Haze, and Lifter.
Besides Special Sauce, ERB, Suver, and Suver Haze, Oregon CBD also incorporated other CBD genetics: Sour Tsunami and a mystery strain, W19—could it be a pheno of Wife or The Wife?
Sour Tsunami is found in the lineages of Oregon CBD's Sour Candy Kush (high terpinolene), and Sour Space Candy (terpinolene dominant).
And completing the circle... Sour Tsunami was created by Lawrence Ringo, and then with it he created Harle-Tsu (Harlequin x Sour Tsunami).
Here's the terpinolene content for Harle-Tsu, from a 2016 terpene profile on Kannapedia:
Terpinolene also shows up prominently in Ringo's Gift, which is Harle-Tsu x AC/DC.
Lasty, let's take a quick look at the genetics behind East Fork Cultivars' high-CBD terpinolene-dominant strains...
Pineapple Kush CBD is Sour Pineapple x Suzy’s Gift (Bubba Kush x Ringo’s Gift).
Sour Pineapple CBD is Sour Tsunami x Pineapple Tsu (Sour Tsunami x Pineapple). (Pineapple is an old strain, mostly skunk genetics.)
Here we see Sour Tsunami as high in terpinolene, terpinene, and pinene:
Here we see Pineapple Tsu as terpinolene dominant:
So, we see the terpinolene of Sour Tsunami and Harle-Tsu shining through in these high-CBD, terpinolene-dominant strains.
Lastly, a very quick look at AC/DC and Cannatonic CBD strains. AC/DC is actually a phenotype of Cannatonic. Looking at the terpene profiles for each, neither contains much terpinolene. Cannatonic originated in Spain. Leafly says, "Bred by Resin Seeds in Spain, Cannatonic is a high-CBD strain with relatively low THC levels."
Next up... After this deep dive, I'll come back to the surface and consider the "bigger picture" in terms of my quest for mold-resistant strains.
One question that pops into my mind is, why did Oregon CBD launch their "sour strains" in 2020, specifically for high-terpinolene content, when they already had the Lifter strain with terpinolene as one of the top 3 terpenes? And then it seems they renamed it Sour Lifter in the 2022/2023 releases. But what actually happened is that Sour Lifter was created by breeding Lifter with an in-house created "terpinolene dominant CBD variety", in 2021—what they call their "GG#4 conversion". From the terpene profiles I've seen, it appears Sour Lifter actually has less terpinolene than Lifter, but I'm sure there is phenotypic variation for both.
So, why the "sour strains," and why the emphasis on terpinolene? Oregon CBD launched these "sour" strains in 2020/2021: Sour Elektra, Sour Hawaiian Haze, Sour Special Sauce, and Super Sour Space Candy. In their online catalog they say about the Sour CBDs—"Improved for 2021, these varieties feature a newly selected, terpinolene dominant [Gorilla Glue #4] conversion parent that helps them put on the weight and finish fast!". It's looks like they were also going for high resin production, coupled with citrus, berry, and tropical aromas and flavors. From my research, strains high in terpinolene are known for citrus, berry, and tropical aromas.
Curious thing, though, I don't see any mention of mold/fungus resistance associated with Oregon CBD's "sour strains", which would be my primary reason for trying out high-terpinolene CBD strains. They remark about their classic strain, Special Sauce, "Ideal for humid climates with strong mold resistance." Yet I don't see any significant terpinolene in the one terpene profile I found for Special Sauce, and another website mentions that terpinolene is not in the top 3 terpenes for Special Sauce. Even more curious is that Oregon CBD has bred "seedless" triploid genetics that they claim have high fungus/mold resistance, including: triploid versions of Suver Haze, Sour Suver Haze, and Lifter. About the triploid Suver Haze they say, "Excels in moist climates and exhibits strong resistance to botrytis". (That's the only mention of botrytis resistance I can find on Oregon CBD's website.) But this is very interesting, because triploids are typically larger plants with more resin production, and the non-triploid Suver Haze (from what I can tell) doesn't contain significant amounts of terpinolene—therefore, the strong resistance to botrytis, I'm guessing, is coming from the increased resin production. That's my guess. So, it could be that big plants with high resin production bring out the inherent fungus/mold resistance. I just experienced this with the recent harvest of my #9 pheno of Cherry Blossom. But the way I accomplished that was to increase pot size!
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Speaking of Cherry Blossom, this is a good segue into Harle-Tsu. Why? Because Cherry Blossom is a cross of Harle-Tsu and Cherry Pie. Well, I should say that at least one strain called "Cherry Blossom", high in CBD, is a cross of Harle-Tsu and Cherry Pie.
But that's not the Cherry Blossom CBD that I'm growing. I'm fairly certain the Cherry Blossom that I'm growing is Cherry Wine x Berry Blossom. Looking a bit deeper: Cherry Wine is Charlotte's Cherries x The Wife; Berry Blossom is Cherry Kandahar S1 and Chardonnay. Looking even deeper: Charlotte's Cherries is Charlotte's Web x Colorado Cherry. (As far as I can tell, Colorado Cherry is a THC strain from Cherry Pie x Tree of Life.) Regarding Cherry Kandahar, that's close to a landrace Afghani indica (THC). Chardonnay is Black Rose and Cherry Wine (there's that Cherry Wine again). I'm not sure which "Black Rose" they mean there, but it's a THC strain. (purple = high CBD)
So, the high-CBD genetics in the Cherry Blossom CBD that I'm growing is from Charlotte's Web and The Wife. While Charlotte's Web has Lawrence Ringo's Harle-Tsu prominent in its lineage, The Wife is a bit of a mystery, traced to High Grade Hemp Seeds in Colorado. They were not the creators, however. Credit for that goes to Foundation Seeds, another hemp breeder in Colorado, who created it from Spectrum x Wife. Both Spectrum and Wife were phenotypes of Heartwood IBL, which was derived from genetics received from Spain in 2011 [ source ]. (There's that timeframe again, 2010/2011—The dawn of CBD strains.)
That mystery high-CBD Spanish germplasm used to create The Wife may have been Juanita la Lagrimosa, Cannatonic, or Dancehall.
***
Now back to the amazing strains of Oregon CBD. What well-known eary CBD genetics are they based on, or do they incorporate? The mystery gets thick now. Oregon CBD did its own foundational in-house breeding. To create Lifter, they crossed their own Suver Haze with the high-CBD strain, Early Resin Berry (ERB). I can't find anything on Early Resin Berry, but I'm guessing they acquired a clone or clones of it from somewhere. It seems at first ERB was a 1:1 strain, and then perhaps Oregon CBD morphed it into a type 3 strain, but that's a total guess. Or maybe they developed ERB from some other genetics. As for Suver Haze, they crossed Suver #8 with ERB, and Suver is a strain they developed on Suver Road, north of Corvallis, Oregon...
"After crossing our “Special Sauce” mom with our select (THC) Neville’s Haze male in 2015, an open pollination was conducted with 40 F1 siblings. When the resulting F2 seeds were grown out and chemotyped, only 1 plant out of 72 females in the test grow was a type III hemp plant..."
Special Sauce and ERB are the two secret ingredients in Suver, Suver Haze, and Lifter.
Besides Special Sauce, ERB, Suver, and Suver Haze, Oregon CBD also incorporated other CBD genetics: Sour Tsunami and a mystery strain, W19—could it be a pheno of Wife or The Wife?
Sour Tsunami is found in the lineages of Oregon CBD's Sour Candy Kush (high terpinolene), and Sour Space Candy (terpinolene dominant).
And completing the circle... Sour Tsunami was created by Lawrence Ringo, and then with it he created Harle-Tsu (Harlequin x Sour Tsunami).
Here's the terpinolene content for Harle-Tsu, from a 2016 terpene profile on Kannapedia:
Terpinolene also shows up prominently in Ringo's Gift, which is Harle-Tsu x AC/DC.
***
Lasty, let's take a quick look at the genetics behind East Fork Cultivars' high-CBD terpinolene-dominant strains...
Pineapple Kush CBD is Sour Pineapple x Suzy’s Gift (Bubba Kush x Ringo’s Gift).
Sour Pineapple CBD is Sour Tsunami x Pineapple Tsu (Sour Tsunami x Pineapple). (Pineapple is an old strain, mostly skunk genetics.)
Here we see Sour Tsunami as high in terpinolene, terpinene, and pinene:
Here we see Pineapple Tsu as terpinolene dominant:
So, we see the terpinolene of Sour Tsunami and Harle-Tsu shining through in these high-CBD, terpinolene-dominant strains.
***
Lastly, a very quick look at AC/DC and Cannatonic CBD strains. AC/DC is actually a phenotype of Cannatonic. Looking at the terpene profiles for each, neither contains much terpinolene. Cannatonic originated in Spain. Leafly says, "Bred by Resin Seeds in Spain, Cannatonic is a high-CBD strain with relatively low THC levels."
Next up... After this deep dive, I'll come back to the surface and consider the "bigger picture" in terms of my quest for mold-resistant strains.
